The global economy is coming on seven years since the most recent major financial crisis, and at least one investor thinks that means it’s time to prepare for a downturn.
“Recessions follow expansions like nights follow day,” said Ruchir Sharma, head of emerging markets and global macro at Morgan Stanley Investment Management.
“We’ve experienced a global recession once every seven to eight years over the last 50 years. The last time we had that was ’07-’08, but that was an extreme outcome. This [current] global expansion is in its seventh year, so we have to be careful.”
Sharma was at a decidedly bearish global macro discussion at the Bloomberg Market’s Most Influential Summit in New York City on Tuesday.
Sharma was joined by Rod Paris, CIO of Standard Life Investments, and Bloomberg’s Tom Keene, who moderated.
Now, this latest itch – like every itch – is of a particular kind.
Here are three of its most troublesome characteristics:
China’s debt problem: The single predictor of an economic downturn, according to Sharma, is a nation that has taken on too much debt in too short a period. That is what we have in China. That doesn’t mean there will be an all-out collapse, though. Sharma envisions more of a Japan-like “extend and pretend” zombie scenario. Unfortunately, stimulus is getting increasingly ineffective as debt builds and deflation takes hold. China has become “almost one of those instances where we need a financial crisis to clear the market,” Sharma continued.
Tell that to Chinese President Xi Jinping.
- Morgan Stanley
And for more characteristics of this itch:
Global population decline: Everyone on stage agreed that this was an issue that simply isn’t discussed enough. For the first time in postwar history the world’s population is declining, meaning that prior growth estimates are unachievable. “Negative growth and interest rates are even being discussed … which should tell you something about the way this is going,” Paris said. Falling commodities prices hurting emerging market economies: Paris, at his most optimistic, said we might get out of a dark scenario if emerging markets were not contagious. In the meantime, massive economies like Brazil’s – which is dependent on commodities prices – will suffer.
The questions is: How do you scratch the itch?
The panelists had more of an understanding of what not to do – continue relying on the Fed for help.
“When you keep the price of money at zero, all sorts of silly things start to happen,” Sharma said.
The Federal Reserve, like it or not, controls 60% of the economies in the world because those economies’ currencies are pegged to the dollar. But the Fedcannot solve this problem alone.
Instead, the panelists agreed that this global downturn had a fiscal solution. Policymakers must act constructively and spend money on infrastructure investment and other growth mechanisms as China clears out its debt pile.
“Four out of five interviewees say we have to go to fiscal policy, but where is the will to do that?” Keene asked his guests.
It seemed like a rhetorical question. No one really had an answer.